Saturday, November 20, 2010

since the clacton meet we have seen the hassling of members who have leo connections

The alliance now seems to be in disarray.
sb has got so few posts that they have introduced rss feeds to try and make it look like something is going on! They have noobs waiting weeks for mentors as they now have so few. To show how serious things are now, I actually saw where thunderchild was nice to someone who asked about things!

Has he been told?

The last time I was in anti 419 academy even their own mods were asking what had gone wrong!

Fraudwatchers has closed down with aldavor (the man of no honour) saying that it has been under ddos attack?? I am unsure about this as he has been shown to lie to the members in the past!
He has put the words 'man of no honour' under his avatar the same as mike did with his bad comments! (clone) however it is good that he agrees with me!

The most despicable act I have ever seen has taken place on internet love scams: they are now asking for money from VICTIMS!!

So after preaching about taking the high moral ground, they are now trying to get money from victims who are in some cases emotionally distraught, and vulnerable! and in many cases may also feel OBLIGATED to anyone who has helped them with what could be the most terrible experience of their lives!!

This I find totally reprehensible! and marks a new low from the very people who profess to be helping the victims!!
I told Witch that ils had ceased to exist, as the site that a lot of us had worked so hard for and this proves it !

I now have good evidence that there is yet another long time member of the alliance who has access to the eater admin quarter! As well as to 'Death star"
So who is now actually running the alliance??

Why are the alliance admins keeping quiet about these eater admins on their sites Despite repeated requests to explain ?
This person is also scamming and actually running a team of scammers, so it makes him an oga! This asks the question "where are his victims coming from" ?? There are a steady stream of victims going through the alliance and eater sites for these parasites to pick from!

Maybe it would be an idea for the admins to deal with the genuine crooks instead of persecuting and banning members who have only ever worked hard to assist and build up the alliance sites! but have the failing of wanting to stand up to them when falsely accused! However since the clacton meet we have seen the hassling of members who have leo connections or who would stand up to these sorts of things! Exactly the same as on eater! WHY??

You do not control me

I will reveal things when and how I want to, not to your order as I have said many times!

You do not control me in any way.

Also how can she be a noob when she is a mod on the alliance?? more lies eh??

I would not have the technical ability to work with keyloggers etc

Fortunately you are not me!
I have been threatened by eater and the alliance ever since I started to tell the truth about them so why worry about you?

I am not the one who is accused of sending threatening pm's, nor under suspicion for using the phone, neither is Manchy! YOU are!

I have found that People like Manchy and N Mature have only spoken the truth while you have spoken only lies and half truths! who then are we to believe??

As has been said a lot of this came to light when I came here and started to let people know what is going on!

I find it very curious that both obas and you are so against me when I have not spoken to either of you in the past except to maybe answer each others posts! so would not have upset either of you!

Why the venom and vitriol? what have you both got to hide or lose? that you attack me at every opportunity? surely you would welcome and support the truth being exposed? unless you have a lot to hide!


It is not I who is under investigation! I would not have the technical ability to work with keyloggers etc however as a member of the
'Death star' group who trained in these methods you would have the ability!

I welcome any investigation into myself or any one involved in these matters as I have nothing to hide! If any admin wants to ask me any question they know where I am !

@Sillietillie, thanks for posting with such honesty, however I would say that it is NOT a good idea to give your personal details to anyone on ANY site!

If Gunnar was a true friend he would I am sure, ask that you do not give him your details, to protect you as a friend! If as he is now trying to claim that others are keylogging, then he would insist on it!

As it seems from your posts that you have been harassed in the past it would be wise to not reveal this type of info, especially to one who is accused of sending threatening pm's etc!

I cannot see any reason to give your details to anyone, as there is no reason to do so, if your details are never published they can never be used to harass you!

It does not matter who is right in this fight but I would ask that you do not put yourself in jeopardy by revealing your personal details to ANYONE! this is just common sense! and it is not necessary to do so! your safety is more important than politics! please consider this!

@ Ashley, re
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Honestly, NM, don't you think it's strange that all this stuff didn't start happening to you until Big Al showed up? I'm not saying it is him,

Almost right, but it started to happen AFTER N mature started to support me, if It was me, why do it to someone who is supporting me?? this would make no sense at all! however it would make sense for some one who is being hurt by this support to do this!

can you answer a simple question for me?

-Are you a member of the group known as 'Death star' or any other spook group? Thanks

Why not answer?? just a simple question!

Diverting things and twisting of the truth and eventually falsified messages

@Throbbo, During this entire episode I have proven that I am telling the truth many times, some proof has even been the actual words of the liars involved!
I have proved conclusively, IN THEIR OWN WORDS that aldavor and Witch, two alliance admins have lied to members, so it would make sense to think that they would lie again to Ranters!
What more proof can I offer apart from a signed statement by the other parties?
The admins have provided lots of lies, Diverting things and twisting of the truth and eventually falsified messages, in an attempt to 'prove' their point which seems to consist solely of character assassination, but they have given very little, if any proof of their statements! This has become more apparent as things progressed!

You have seen how they twist and turn but do not answer direct questions like the ones about 'Lotta'. Why is this? Surely the members on here and the alliance have a right to know why an eater admin is a mod on the alliance?

I am very sure that due to the many alliance members who have had the opportunity to have their say, that if they had any real proof of any bad things that I had done they would have produced it by now! with great glee!
The fact that by now they have not done so can only mean that they do not have any!

All I have seen is the same old eater tactic of character assassination, so that the truth will not be believed, as this is their only defense against the truth!
I was at first treated with suspicion by many members as you have seen by the posts.
One person who treated me with suspicion was 'Manchy' and he asked me many questions that I answered truthfully!

I do not know what other checks he carried out, but he did ask some searching questions and I presume based his opinions on the answers and things he found out!
As far as I can see he is not a person to be easily misled and I believe he does check on things before he ventures an opinion!
I am sure that he would not say things until he had checked them out throughly first!

my health has not been very good

From : bigal
To : Aldavor
Date : 2006-10-18 03:33
Title : for your info
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1. I have a lot of respect for the admin and mods and would
not even consider that they would read our pm's.

2. I said "like monitoring our pm's" to one person as a test
to see if things I said to one person were being passed to
other people.

3. within hours someone else pm'd me with the same words
back to me ,so I now know despite assurances that it was not
so ,things I said were being passed to others.without my
permission! this was a big dissapointment to me .

4. This why i have not posted this out on the forum as it
would only result in the admin/mods losing more credability
,this has never been my intention!

5. I was suprised to see this brought out on sb as it was
from another forum altogether , and i cannot see where the
connection is to sb ?

6. During this whole fiasco i have only wanted to clear my
name, as i have been accused of doing something that is not
true, and i have posted proof of this, despite many requests
i have not received any evidence from anyone to prove what I
have been accused of!

7. I would not like it to go to open forum as it would
result in damage to the alliance and this has never been my
intention, i would not like to be responsible for the
members being affected in any way. So if you can let me know
if we can settle this in a civilised manner then i would be
interested.

8. As you have now put on ils a lot of admins and
experienced people who can handle the victims, them i see
that you have it all under control, and so i will just
become a standard member of ILS, and leave it to you, I
have a lot of respect for what witch is trying to do on ils
and do not want to interfere with this, therefore i will not
question you admins any more.

9. I feel the whole sitation was mis-understanding ,a lack
of comminucation then things got blown out of proposrtion. I
was accused of things that i did not do and this made me
angry, I may not have reacted in the best way but feel that
I am justified in defending myself against false accusations.

10. If I upset anyone by my reaction, I am sorry as this
ewas not my intention. Big Al"


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From : bigal
To : Aldavor
Date : 2006-10-25 04:55
Title : HI
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I did not mean to imply that anyone was reading P M's and i
am sorry if anyone got that impression! re the future i am
going to have to cut back on my time on the sites as my
health has not been very good, I would like to remain a
member on scambaits and help where i can as i still enjoy
the site! " Big Al" 

talking to a suicidal victim WITHOUT telling the admins!

@ knightly, yet again you mention the name of an innocent member! I could refute your claims easily and show yet again that you are lying by posting some of the answers that this member sent to the admins, but I will not do this without her permission! so I will post something that I put on another forum where you have never had access.


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The debacle then progressed to the main accusation, that xxxx and I had -1- discussed suicide with a victim! and -2- that we had done so without notifying any of the others!! the second charge was nullified by xxxxx finding my posts where I had sent to the management, my concerns as outlined above!!
Re the first charge, I have repeatedly asked them for any proof or evidence, that they may have to back up this allegation!!
All I have got in reply is insults, more accusations and other things not relevant to any proof!!
They cannot give me any, as there is none!! as WE DID NOT TALK TO ANY VICTIM ABOUT SUICIDE AT ANY STAGE .
Contrary to what is being said, I resigned my moderator title as a protest !! it was accepted but I was NOT demodded as witch is now trying to say!
I also resigned from fraudwatchers at the same time, for the same reason!! however not only was nothing said, but as well as my account being closed, my ip was BANNED !! (banning by stealth??) so until I changed my ip I could not even look at the site as a member of the public!!
So summing up ---We have NEVER at any stage talked to any victim about suicide!! and so have not put the sites in any danger as is being used as an excuse by the admins!!
This has been pointed out MANY times to the admins to no avail!! so there can be only one reason!! they do not want to believe the facts!!
It is obvious then, that the conversion by the admins to an eater clone type of site is now complete!! as they are mimicking them in a lot of ways !!
This explains the reason for my resignation! and also the original false accusation! That we had put the site in danger by talking to a suicidal victim WITHOUT telling the admins! As has been shown the admins were informed that we had concerns about this victim and we not only informed the admins about this, but were congratulated by them for the way we were handling the matter!

The sending of a motivational song was admitted by me but was not part of the original accusation but was made into an issue as the admins could NOT provide any proof of the original claim as it did not exist!

Despite MANY requests from me to provide proof none was ever produced!
I fully expect the admins to try and dispute this as it shows them in a bad light.
I can produce many posts about this to back up my claims , as there is a lot! I am reluctant to subject the members here to it all as there is a lot to read but I will post any relevent ones if they become necessary!

bad things about me

As your previous posts have only been made to attack me and this sudden turnaround is most unusual to say the least, I can only assume that the admins are planning to alter any messages I sent or to make up false ones!
Therefore any posts that now depict any sort of bad things about me will obviously be garbage and posted just to get some sort of revenge on me for telling the truth!
As I am sure you know, I resigned from ils, and Fw , and as a mod on ils in protest at the deplorable way that the admins had treated a fellow mod who was a frail older lady and was seriously ill .
To this day they have not apologized nor made any amends for this terrible behavior !

This is a copy of the message I sent resigning from the sites

Quote:
ENOUGH
This is NOT on!! i have just been talking to one of our best mods who has been crying over the luducrous garbage that is being posted about us here !!
READ the bloody posts !! and you will see that it WAS posted and you all congratulated us on a job well done!!
Get this into your minds we did NOT decide to deal with this matter on our own !! can you read!! or are you becoming so eater like that you are choosing to ignore this ??
As a result i have tended my resignation as a mod and member here , and will be resigning from all the alliance sites ! when we as members are not believed and denounced as is being done to xxxxxxxx it is time to go.
I ask that you leave her alone! you can have my hide if it makes you feel better but i will not stand by and let you crucify her for not doing anything wrong " Big AL '

ANY alteration from this message that I sent to the alliance management is a forgery and would only be posted to cause trouble!


So far three different user names have been used on some of the same posts on here! I have received a pm saying that the admins are altering things!
This is I believe to be garbage as I trust the admins on here and It shows that some one has in all probability hacked into another account!
I would strongly suggest that every one checks their pc security as a matter of urgency! 

sending a motivational song to a victim that was VERY successful.

It seems to be a standard practice for some sites to attempt massive character assassination when any one is banned for telling the truth!
This seems to be done to try and make sure that the person who has been banned will not be believed and any truth they post will then be suspect! This has been the case by both eater and the alliance in my case and to others who say the truth.

It is now spilling over to the people who support me, re some recent comments on here!

As the admins on the alliance have seen fit to try to portray me as crazy, it is only fair that I defend myself, remember they started this attack!

First of all I have never seen any doctor nor taken any medicine for any type of mental disorder and as far as I know no relatives of mine have either!

However, lets look at some of the people who are making these false allegations!

As I have also been falsely accused on internet love scams as well, I will talk about this group, remember this is the group that are dealing with emotional and sometimes suicidal victims. They have the following as ADMINS on ILS. I call this:

'The comedy of errors'

They have the following!

A male admin who is an alcoholic.

A female admin who is a self confessed 'bi polar' sufferer.

A female admin who also has a drink problem and has presided over the most destructive episode in the scambaiting history by telling lies about cop cars coming around to investigate and the 'rolling over' of a completely innocent colleague!

A male admin who has confessed that he cannot handle victims, and that he has emotional problems, he has since been removed as a liability!

A male admin who has also said that he cannot handle victims and is an admin, yet he has never posted on there.

A male admin who has lied to the members on his sites about reading pm's.

A female mod who has attempted suicide and runs away when confronted with one who needs help on ils.

A female mod who has massive problems with her parents, who are involved with a type of religious cult, and are against her using computers.

A female mod who is an admin on eater! enough said!!

The sickest of all, they have allowed 'Vinnie' who has issued sick death threats against fellow baiters to be a member, using three different names, one female and two male and then promoted him to a mod position!


AND THEY SLAP ME!! for sending a motivational song to a victim that was VERY successful.
And they try and say that I am a danger to victims!! BULLSHIT!!

Then they wonder why I expose them and their lies!

They also have people who have hounded victims to try and get them to bait their scammers, a VERY dangerous thing to do!

So now you can make up your own minds as to who is crazy!

Please remember that they started this attack on my character, I did not want to go down this road, but I will defend myself!

So they only have them selves to blame when I do defend myself!

I also said that I would discuss things about the 'clacton meet'!

 As it seems to worry some folk that they may be missing out on a jucy story and to prove once again that I am only telling the truth and will stick to what I say, I have decided to tell about the seven Dragons!
I posted asking for the loonies who have tried to use this story against me to come forth and validate their comments!
With the exception of an alliance admin using the name of Captain chaos, who knew he was on ignore, not one of the people using the dragons has had the guts to come up with why they were using them against me!
This is because they could not, as they did NOT know the true story behind them! as I stated!
The seven Dragons story just so that mak can sleep in peace!
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Sometime after leaving eater I was contacted by Nurse
nasty, pretending to be my pal and find out why I was against them!

In effect he was trying to bait me! so I decided to backbait him and the
eater mods! I went along with his B S and then told him about 7 ex
members of alex's old board, who had joined together and were known as
the group of seven! and were against eater! this became known later on
as the 7 dragons!

This was just a name that I used similar to many
names that have been and are being used to describe various groups of
people, like the names = 'Death star" Alpha delta bravo' Fraudstars,
host 2000 etc.

So you see there was nothing sinister or 'crazy' about them at all!
And the admins on the alliance knew this all along!

I told quite a a few members of the alliance, including aldavor( the man
with no honour) who had a good laugh about how stupid the eater folk were!


At that time no one tried to use this as an attack on me like they are trying to do now!

As the alliance are now desperate to try and justify their attacks on me
and have been proven to be liars, They are now looking for any excuse to
discredit me as they can prove nothing bad about me as there is nothing
to prove!
Therefore their only way of trying to save their reputation is to continue to try and prove that I am crazy!so that I will not be
beleived by anyone!
this is why they attack anything I say, when they can
and keep relatively quiet about the truth when used against them !


At about the same time as I said that I would explain about the
dragons, after hearing from those that were using them against me! I
also said that I would discuss things about the 'clacton meet'!
Now we have all seen the extraordinary amount of pushing to talk about
the dragons, when they thought that it could be used against me by
their dogpiling! And twisting of the truth,etc. but we have heard just
about NOTHING regarding my mentioning the clacton meet! I wonder why??







Despite trying to take the moral ground and saying that he hates trolls ! and also displaying rank racism, the site is NOT a 'Jap' site but an INTERNATIONAL site note the difference you racist bigot!!
The following was sent to me by eatyo as an indication of his true self. You will note the mentally disturbing emotional out burst yet again showing that he is mentally unstable!

HIS OWN WORDS again showing what he is!

Quote:
YOU NEVER WILL... YOU WILL NEVER FIND ME HIDDEN IN YOUR USERBASE... FEEDING YOU BULLSHIT, GIVING YOU BOGUS INFORMATION THAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

Quote:
You are not working hard enough

Is this the best you can do?

All you have left it to LIE? All you have left it to LIE? All you have left it to LIE? All you have left it to LIE? All you have left it to LIE? All you have left it to LIE?

YOU ARE PATHETIC !!!!



Have you found my account on http://www.antifraudintl.org/ yet.

YOU NEVER WILL... YOU WILL NEVER FIND ME HIDDEN IN YOUR USERBASE... FEEDING YOU BULLSHIT, GIVING YOU BOGUS INFORMATION THAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are a foolish old hag. Drop this pretence and come out into the light.

Vinnie is coming for Bi-Gal and his twinkie string pullers.


mwahahahaha
mawahahahahahha
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We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter.


I suppose that the admins on The alliance, will eventually realize that using duals and trying the old Al bashing tricks will not work! and every time they try it they lose even more credibility!
Both aldavor (the man of no honour) and eatyo/thunderchild have now removed the derogatory comments on their signatures both here and on SB.
As this was only showing them to be idiots and has resulted in even more members leaving! this is a good start for them but it is only a small gesture!

So here are more posts showing eatyo to be a liar yet again!
He posted on sb saying that he would not be renewing a post office box due to the COST!! and when another member kindly offered to help in paying this ENORMOUS cost, he back peddled like mad and said it was suddenly not possible due to PHYSICAL difficulties. This was NOT mentioned in his original excuse!
It is now obvious that the whole Alliance is now being run on lies and deceit! as the many points I have proven to be true clearly show!


note this-" Due to other financial obligations" NOTHING about physical at all.

And note this-"
, and once I am in a position to afford another,"